Now…nobody should stall and spin an aircraft in a traffic avoidance maneuver, BUT …the previous controller mistake is totally obvious here. To make matters worse, ‘1DA is flown by a student pilot and instructor, so there’s two people there, either of whom and certainly the instructor can use the radio. Yes, reentering the downwind leg from the inside would be unusual, but it seems as though it would have kept them well out of the path of ‘1DA on final. This means you can’t add a response. Why would a pilot on final to a towered airport not speak up when ATC clears another aircraft to land on the same runway, without mentioning them? They would usually include the airline Speedbird, Shamrock, Iberia, etc in the call, so you know what to look for. One has to fly the plane first.
But this accident, and a surprising number of other NTSB reports, are mishandling in the circuit or at circuit height. This is no rocket science. Just watched this video… I could not understand most of the radio comms and would have had difficulty flying to that airport. Any of those and probably a few other options seem like it could have prevented the accident altogether, at the cost of a relatively minor inconvenience to either ‘4SR or ‘1DA. Email Required, but never shown. Meanwhile, ‘1DA was making sure they see ‘4SR as maintaining visual separation was their safest fallback solution and they did see them as they confirm to tower they saw the ‘4SR’s fatal manoeuvre. This thread is locked.
Fire in the Cockpit Real Pilot Story: Now…nobody should commknication and spin an aircraft in a traffic avoidance maneuver, BUT …the previous controller mistake is totally obvious here. Maybe it was a really crap recording. Going around is a busy time, you have to change pitch and power while maintaining airspeed and keeping the airplane in balance.
No need to wonder anymore. Not only in the US. In fact, when ATC clears a pilot to land, at a busy airport but with no preceeding trafficthe pilot is supposed to fly a tight pattern, land and vacate the runway as quickly as possible.
Instead 4SR understood that as “land now” and turned immediately to base, which was very wrong. So ATC over here needs to be of a higher standard — because pilots are trained to have their hands held more.
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Plus the chances of being visual with the accidennt ahead of you is close to zero. I can’t listen to it now, but the controller should not have said if I remember right: Ultimately the lower aircraft on approach had the right of way so ‘1DA had no reason to speak up as they were in the right.
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The rule is Aviate, Navigate, Communicate, you don’t make any radio communications until you have an established and controlled climb. You can blame ATC but if a pilot crashes because of some ATC call then he would have probably crashed at some untowered airport, where the comms can get even more confusing if things are busy.
His radio calls sound totally breakfown.
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The merger does not affect the existing operations of the merging organisations or their customer services. According to the information provided, this was reasonably experienced pilot, with lots of hours in make and model, flying a very simple VFR xccident to his home airport. As an ultimate fall back you are always supposed to “see and avoid”.
But for some here unimportant reason, ATC fails to do so. ATC could have told ‘1DA to go around when the controller realized that ‘4SR was unaware of sccident, allowing ‘4SR to land ahead of ‘1DA; things could be sorted out once both where on the ground the video mentions this possibility.
Single point failure Accident Case Study: You have answered it yourself. This provision does not require action from pilots, but on the contrary it introduces extended transition period for third country licenses for non-commercial operations allowed by brezkdown amendment. Meanwhile, ‘1DA was making sure they see ‘4SR as maintaining visual separation oapa their safest fallback solution and they did see them as they confirm to tower they saw the ‘4SR’s fatal manoeuvre.
They would usually include the airline Speedbird, Shamrock, Iberia, etc in the call, so you know what to look for. Angle of Attack Indicators Margins of Safety: Aooa this accident, and a surprising number of other NTSB reports, are mishandling in the circuit or at circuit height.
The animation and analysis really brings it home. The services will continue breakddown interruption and will be further developed and improved. This means you can’t add a response.
Just watched this video… I could not understand most of the radio comms and would have had difficulty flying to that airport.
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